Is there anyone with any shred of common sense who believes that criminals will obey a new law if that law is passed?
No? Then, how do you explain anti-gunners campaigning for more gun control laws as if criminals will suddenly stop using firearms to commit crimes just because the government has told them not to?
The fact of the matter is that anyone not blinded by the religiously zealotry that is gun control ideology knows that gun control doesn’t stop gun violence, and we have proof not only from human nature but from the recent gun ban in New Zealand (hat tip to here for the lead). Collette Devlin writes,
Illegal guns are remaining in the hands of organised crime as gang leaders refuse to give up their weapons.
Police have met with more than 50 gang leaders in an effort to get them to comply with firearm law changes before an amnesty ends.
But it’s proving to be fruitless, as the patched members remain “very reluctant”, Police Commissioner Mike Bush told the Justice Select Committee on Thursday.
“We have identified over 100 influential gang leaders and spoken to about half of them about how they are managing this and what their approach and attitude toward that [amnesty] is.”
After the committee meeting, Bush said communication lines with senior patched gang members had revealed they had a different approach to law abiding members of the public, in relation to the return of guns.
“They were very reluctant to be part of this.”
He did not think many patched gang members had handed in their guns.
Police already had a strategy for dealing with gangs and that is what police were using to get to the unlawful firearms, he said.
“They are in the hands of people involved in organised crime.”
During organised crime interventions, police located a lot of unlawful firearms, he said.
“If people are in possession of an unlawful firearm this very minute and we know about it, we will be taking the approach we have always taken … we have information, we will be going there.”
Deputy Commissioner Mike Clement told the committee that out of the 37 adult gangs across the country, 115 key people had been identified and police had met with 53 to talk.
Police did not expect patched gang members to front up to collections but were hopeful they would listen and do the right thing, Clement said.
But at the end of the day, police could not compel them to give up their unlawful guns and could only create an environment to hand over firearms under amnesty, he said.
After the meeting, National’s Justice spokesperson and former police officer Mark Mitchell said asking gangs nicely to give up illegal weapons didn’t work.
So, these people were surprised that criminals are “reluctant” to give up their guns? And policy couldn’t make them give up their guns?
People in New Zealand need to realize that what this news piece is, in essence, saying is that their law enforcement officers are admitting that they cannot protect the populace.
And anti-gunners in the U.S. need to wake up and smell the coffee, too.
Firearms need to be in the hands of law-abiding citizens for self-protection purposes. This needs to be true in every part of the U.S., and people in New Zealand need to do something to get their guns back, too. Because, if they don’t, they’ll have willingly given themselves over to being controlled by violent criminals, and they won’t have anyone to blame but themselves.
I just can’t understand why in America, they can’t start first with going Door to Door where every Police Department knows where this Neighborhood exist where the Criminals live and start their first, since they mostly know whom has a Concel Permit or have bought Guns legally. Wake up USA the First thing that Socialism does it’s disarm the People whom Vote for them this will be the end of freedom within USA, because you will have one time choice either refuse and do what ever it takes or agree and surrender.
You have just contradicted yourself. First, you stated that you can’t understand why the cops don’t go door to door to confiscate guns. Then you stated, “Wake up USA, the first thing socialism does is disarm the people.” Socialists will go door to door to confiscate guns. As long as we have our firearms, there will be no door to door confiscation, because it would be the first day of our second civil war, it that were to ever happen. Our forefathers fought a revolution to gain our freedom from Great Britain because they wanted and tried to take our guns. There are more Americans with guns than there are police and military, so who do you think will win? American hunters have practiced stealth in hunting wild game who have stronger senses than man and who make less noise than humans.
Every where gun control has been enacted crime increased.
What I can’t understand is how gangs exist on an island so far from anything else. Is it really that hard to find and incarcerate them?
These gangs sound like one percenter Motorcycle Clubs. Do you think the Hell’s Angels, or the Sons of Silence will just turn over their guns? Are you kidding? Many of these Club members are also ex-Military, so they know how to use them, and deal with those that get in their way.
It’s a good sized mountainous Island and close to Australia, shipping lanes and other countries.
Anybody dosnt suck up will be a ” gang member”. ” Gang Members” have.l been murdered here already.
Just sick up and do what ya told. Be nice or a criminal. 3% GMLOGMD!
“IF PEOPLE ARE IN POSSESSION OF AN UNLAWFUL FIREARM THIS VERY MINUTE AND WE KNOW ABOUT IT, WE WILL BE TAKING THE APPROACH WE HAVE ALWAYS TAKEN … WE HAVE INFORMATION, WE WILL BE GOING THERE.”
MY RESPONSE TO ALL OF AMERICA IS:
4473 – – THE TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT KNOWS WHERE YOU ARE. NO QUESTION THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS FORMED AN UNLAWFUL REGISTRATION OF WEAPONS BOUGHT LEGALLY THROUGH THE FFLs!!!!!!!!!!!! Also, the NICKs program lists ARE MAINTAINED UNLAWFULLY6 WHERE A PERSON LIVES WHO IS PURCHASING A GUN THROUGH A FFL!!!!!!!! HOW IS THIS INFORMATION KNOWN? LOOK WHAT THE “sheriffs” in Florida are/have done.
A suggestion, DO NOT vote for ANY democrat.
Even if the Republican or Leading Independent is demonstrably an absolute meathead! NEVER vote Democrat. If you think Republicans lie (and they do – Paul Ryan is the premiere example recently of what a lying piece of trash can do to the opportunity of a Lifetime given them), it is still pure suicide to vote Democrat. Might as well surrender and head to the re-education camps now. I don’t think that’s a good plan, just sayin’.
Anti-gunners saw it coming, but they chose to ignore it in their pursuit of power. That law isn’t done biting them in the ass yet. Bigger and better things are coming to them.
It takes a special kind of stupid to think that criminals will surrender their weapons just because owning weapons is illegal.
Well, for all of you brilliant gun control advocates I ask you to tell the world when inanimate objects wil begin to act independently!
You are asking and expecting for something that will never occur.
A gun, baseball bat, knife,hammer, or any other inanimate object requires the assistance of a human being in order to do anything either good or bad.
When will you face the truth and recognize the real problem people!!!
Modern society has degraded dramatically, individuals no longer accept personal responsibility for their actions and often are not held accountable by society, therefore you get the type of actions you see far too often and you place the blame in the wrong place! People not guns, the founding fathers recognized human nature and inserted the 2nd amendment to allow individuals the ability to protect themselves from those who are short sighted as well as tyrannical governments.
For me I will give up my guns only after I am gone!
I would give up all of my guns but the were ALL stolen a couple of weeks ago. they even took my rubber band gun.
Mark Smith, you don’t deserve to own guns if you are willing to give them up without a fight. The thieves did you a favor. Now you can go have a latte with your pussy left democrat communist friends.
lighten up an.. Mark was being sarcastic
Damn mine too.
I lost mine in a boating accident
In re:.New Zealand ……. Forrest Gump had it right. “Stupid is as stupid does”
New Zealand. Those people deserve what they get.
As does Virginia.
Good one! 👍
Apparently. members of the government, press, and society in general, fail to understand that the purpose of the Second Amendment is not to aid in hunting, and not to protect people from criminals. The purpose of the Second is to protect THE PEOPLE from THE GOVERNMENT. Not one nation that I can think of, retained its previous level of democracy, once the populace had been disarmed. For those who plead to give it a try, just HOW do they expect to reinstate the Second, if they decide they don’t like being disarmed?
Did I read it right? Criminals are not following the law! SHOCKING!
I really don’t blame the gangs for not giving up their guns. They know that the first person to give up their guns is the first one to be killed! 😡
Yep, Craig, it seems there is a class of people in the world who find thinking difficult.
Do not vote for any gun grabber, democrat or republican. If they want to confiscate guns, tell them to disarm the criminals first. Then we can talk.
Since the police were talking to the gang leaders why just ask them to obey the gun law? Why not ask them to obey ALL the laws? Or am I wrong to think that since they are gang leaders that they violate any and every law they care to?
Bernie for the nut house Hillary Clinton for the jail house and Donald Trump for the white house
FredK ….I believe, I have mentioned it before, that I was born with the God given right to defend myself. In this country, it is also a constituitional right to defend myself wth a firearm. The gun grabbers, or the democraps actually do not care who gwets shot. Their final goal is to disarm the populace. They are also trying to lead us into socialism. Under socialism there are no armed citicen. You see, an armed populace can not be controlled the way people are ander communism. So, what the gungrabbers are trying to , is, taking your gunsso that they can control every aspect of the peopl’s life. If you want that, then you vote democrat. May God bless America, and may God bless President Trump
If I am reading this article correctly. The cops in New Zealand contacted “Patched Gang” members only. If they are using the term “Patched” as we do in the USA. Then they focused all of their efforts on the members of Motorcycle clubs! Sounds like someone in New Zealand is using a microscope to view a presumed problem. And not viewing their self caused problem with the widest view possible. Thank God and Our Founding Fathers, that we have a Bill of Rights that include the Second Amendment!
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