We can’t say for sure that Beretta will win the contract to supply the Army with newly redesigned pistols, but we now know that Smith and Wesson’s revamped M&P is out of the running. Even though Beretta is the only company with a chance, it’s possible that the Army rejects all applicants and starts the process all over again.
Here’s what morons over at CNN money has to say about it:
Amazing that CNN didn’t call it a high powered assault rifle. Of course, the first thing that sticks out to them is that it’s a different color, who cares? The higher magazine capacity and “sand-proof” magazine are actual enhancements, but keep mind this isn’t the Army’s new pistol. We really don’t know for sure what additional enhancements were made to the M9. The Army is trying to replace the M9 with something better so some minor changes to the magazine and the addition of an accessory rail might not be enough.
This is a huge decision:
The contract could be lucrative and long-lasting. Beretta has sold at least 600,000 of its M9 pistols to the Army over the past 30 years. The previous supplier was Colt, which had provided sidearms to the Army since the 19th century. Colt’s M1911 semiautomatic pistol was standard issue through both World Wars and up to 1985.
Yeah, it’s kind of a big deal. It’s also pretty disappointing that the vast majority of companies didn’t even compete due to the insane cost of the trials. It looks like a modified M9 is going to win and we’ll update you as soon as we know for sure!
Everything about this commentary stinks. Initially you have negated the first and second amendments. We use to reside in a free country. Evidently that has gone by the wayside. I suppose as some of our deplorable representatives in congress wish, we will be taken off of the land and will all turn into “apartment people” a group of skateboarding computer idiots that only use their digits to play violent computer etc., games.
I hate to see our country go to hell due to their lack of faith and over time imbued with the ignorance that is becoming the new norm.
I use to say God bless America, however I can no longer bring myself to lower God to that level.
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First of all, TURN OFF THE FREAKIN CAPS! Your comment is totally off topic but I felt compelled to reply.
Understand that in order for any automaker to succeed in today’s marketplace they must be global. What that means numbskull is they have to have plants strategically located around the world to support their business model. Go back to whatever it is you do and leave the running of the auto industry to the professionals!
God help our military if the contract is let to Beretta. I shot a new model 92 and it stovepiped every round. This was mixed ammo brands. Couldn’t put a round on target!
The Beretta is a great gun, we own three of them. But it isn’t a modern gun so it is definitely time for an update.
I can’t understand why the Model 1911 lasted so long. John Browning, the brilliant inventor, recognized its greatest weakness in the swinging link that secured the slide to the frame. He corrected it in 1929 with his final design, the Browning Hi-Power, or GP (for Grand Puissance) after Colt refused his offer. It has been made by FN in Belgium since then, and is a far superior gun to the Model 1911. Today, Sig-Sauer makes the finest semi-automatic guns, but they are very expensive.
John Browning died before he completed the 9 mm pistol you are taking about. It was finished by his assistant. I suppose it is a great pistol, but the only one I have had a chance to shoot had a terrible trigger. I would like to shoot a new one sometime just to see if the trigger has improved over time. I hope it has. Aside from that, it needs.to be a .45 ACP.
You’re right on with SIG, Gordon. I have the SIG P320 in 9mm and 357sig and have never shot a finer pistol.
True I love the sig 9 40 45
Bring back the M1911A, but put a Picatinny rail on it. A 9 mm will not reliably stop a Huk or a whirling dervish. A 30 round magazine for the M1911A is a trivial & practical enhancement.
When I served back in 81-84 we were packing’ the 1911 Colt chambered in .45 acp. A fine weapon in a powerful caliber… Most guys loved it! Though the gun itself was large for small hands, it had stopping power, reliability, and ease of use. Then along came the M9 in 9 mm parabellum. The M9 is a fine firearm in and of itself. But the 9mm is light! Eventually the Marines special op’s “Recon” guys went back to two retired guns because of the current issue didn’t live up to its deadliness; They’re using the M14 and the 1911 again, then the SEALS reverted also, to the same sidearm, but they like the portability of the M4. Now, the military is heading off, back to a new sidearm for general purpose and close quarter combat use… What will it be? If I’d my druthers (yeah, right!) I think the venerable .45 acp is a great round but NATO uses the 9mm and switching to another caliber for sidearms and submachine guns may be a moot idea.
Glock has shown us that a .45 cal handgun doesn’t have to be a heavy monster for a ham-handed user. I’m partial to the .45 APC as well. I would want a hard-hitting round if I were in the position of having to use a sidearm. The 9mm Beretta is OK … versatile … light … easy to maintain … easy to get parts for … easy to obtain ammunition for. In spite of those considerations, I’ve seen law enforcement video of people shot multiple times with 9mm pistols and they were not knocked off their feet. I don’t care for that. I want to see my enemy on the ground where I have the advantage. The .45 APC has sufficient kinetic energy to make that happen, in most cases.
How about the CZ 75, basic model, steel frame. Yes, Iam old fashioned.
Glock, Sig Sauer, and Beretta are still in contention
You just can’t make up for the stopping power of the .45 ACP 1911! Bring it back in a more modern model, and make damn sure it is American made!
Scares the shit outta the bad guys when the ‘ol Colt .45 auto is going off which I find acts as a good deterrent as well as a weapon capable of getting down to business. Not unlike the reaction fostered by a 12 gauge going thru some maximum, OO Buck shot. Criminals hate an armed population.
I’m not an expert, just a Veteran of The Lost, War( “police
action”?),of Vietnam. I carried the Colt .45 cal ACP… After
The War, I bought another .45 Colt Civilian Version &
A Browning 9mm Single Action High Power. I liked the
short range power of the .45 ACP, but loved the longer
range flatter trajectory of the 9mm round. Why not a
A Colt .45 pistol round on steroid’s & keep it American.
The old .45 has already proven itself in combat, just give
it a little tune up in power, but maybe modify the Colt
.45 Pistol, but keep this old, dependable, “workhorse”.
a little tune up in power.
Stick to the tested An true 45 ,,,,classic piece AN does the job. My preference,, although the 40 cal is sufficient also.
I WANT ONLY MADE IN THE USA
One thing that is disturbing to me is that its a possibility that they might go outside of the country to get this weapon. That is ridiculous, every military division we have should be carrying nothing but American made weapons. And that’s the bottom line. Help make this country great again , buy American made.
Seals went to Glock 19, Gen 3.
I served several years as Officer In Charge of Small Arms training. Most of that was using the 1911 Colt. With a little proper instruction and coaching most of the trainees could qualify. No one complained of any difficulty in shooting the 1911. I/we were sorry to see it go. The training of one experience seemed to carry over into the next activity and the improvement accumulated with further practice.
All 9mms are pea shooters, save your ammunition and squeeze one .45 round into the enemy and one will be
all it takes to bring them down no matter the location. LEOs and military people in combat situations using
9mms seem to squeeze and squeeze and the enemy seems to advance and advance. Come to think of it,
when it comes to combat against a single, I’ll take a .357 magnum over any semi any day. It may be a wheel
gun but if your skilled one round any where will bring the enemy down and they will not get up.
I own a Python and a Colt 1911. The 1911 is a great close quarters weapon. I guess a shotgun might do a better job and a full auto carbine might also. The Python is absolutely deadly at a range pistol shooters feel is far beyond a revolver’s ability to reach out but the Python will surprise you at 100 yards. The damn thing is so pretty I stopped shooting it and just clean and look at it these days.
Thank You That is what I use a S&W Model 29 .357 Wheel Gun Never jams. If you have gun control which means you hit what you aim at you don’t need 13 or 14 rounds to get out of trouble. My first rule is If I need more than 6 I probably shouldn’t be there anyway. second rule take out the baddest badass first the rest start to think about being there or some place else and have a speed loader or two for just in case.
If you’re going to write about handguns then I would suggest that you learn how to hold the gun when you’re firing the gun!
Your comment is not one find common place n Texas at least. I would suggest you make it clear to whom you are addressing. Most of us in rural Texas would find your comment arrogant, rude and just bad form. We know how to hold our guns and if we don’t we will get an education from people who really care about gun safety. Not from some noisy jerk without manners. What has happened to our adults that so many find it acceptable to behave as an 8 year old like yourself.
Thought I was the only one that noticed.
I’m a veteran of the Vietnam “War”, my side arm was the
Colt .45 ACP. I say keep it American, & modify both the
Pistol & the .45 ACP Cartridge. It’s already proven itself
time & time again. My only criticism, would having a
flatter trajectory, & a little more range,
I own a Beretta model 96. Same reliability as the 92 but it fires 40 Cal. An excellent, accurate sidearm with plenty of power. I sure if the order is big enough Beretta will make a model in 45 cal.
I also love the .45, but I wonder if they would consider a hybrid double-stack 1911 in 10mm. I drool for a Delta Elite and my range has a framed collector’s Bren 10 like in Miami Vice (even with Crockett’s badge and ID), but I don’t own a 10mm in semiauto, yet. I do shoot 10mm in a Smith wheelgun stainless with moon clips, and it would cover both trajectory and power as mentioned above, but you’d only have about 10-12 rounds in a doublestack magazine, I would think, and it does ‘kick’ a bit! Still, I love it and can shoot .40’s if I need to save a few $$. Probably take some training to handle proper fire control, but if you were gonna switch back to .45 to restock why not consider the 10mm and get a few more rounds to carry for the same weight? Just occurred to me–do military allow use of more modern expanding bullets or still ball for better penetration? Been out of military since 1979, so I don’t know. Food for thought
I own a Beretta 92FS Compact stainless..Love the way it shoots,accurate right out of the box.For the guy who says his stove piped on every round is a fucking liar.As per usual,the military took a perfectly good weapon and turned
it into a sand collector because they insisted on the mags being nitride coated which makes sand stick to it like fly
paper even though Beretta and the second source supplier warned them what would happen if they did..which
is what happened.As for the 45..it will knock you down well as long as your no farther then 15 ft past that you never know where the rounds are going read a good quote online the other day and that is – Learn to fucking shoot!! The knew Beretta M9A3 is sweet They have done a lot of upgrades then you listed in this story and they
are made right here in the USA.
The Army needs to look at other systems apart from Beretta, and Smith and Wesson. They need to look at FN, which currently makes the M249, M240B, and the M2 which are all great weapons systems. Also SIG SAUER which is also a great weapons platform as well. I spent 24 years in the military and have fired many of these weapons being considered including the Beretta. Now I know the Beretta is a decent weapon and it fit the bill at the time it was adopted but it has outlasted it’s time and now is the time to change to a better operating system like SIG or FN.
I’m not sure if Sig is running? It seems weird they are not running. After all the Sig P226 has been the sidearm of SOCOM for years …
If they are running they’re probably running their newer Sig P320. It’s all kind of silly. They should just switch to Glocks .. the SEALS just switched to the Glock 19 from Sig P226 and MARSOC did too (1911 to Glock 19).
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