I came across a good video just recently of Donald Trump’s son who went to go visit the folks at Silencerco.
To be honest, I was actually impressed by almost everything ole Trump Jr said about the 2nd Amendment.
In short, he really seems to get it.
But what left my jaw dropping was what he said about Silencers specifically.
Donald Trump Jr. Visits Silencerco
In case you missed it, the part that made my jaw drop was what Trump Jr. said about America vs Europe when it comes to Silencers. (Silencers, AKA suppressors, AKA “sound suppressors”)
In short, we’re losing!
Yes, America Is Losing To Europe When It Comes To Silencers!
It’s almost hilarious to think that any other country — especially in Europe — has more liberal gun laws than the U.S. but when it comes to silencers, the truth is that the USA is way behind.
And that should definitely change.
According to Wikipedia, “In some nations, such as Finland and France, some or all types of suppressor are essentially unregulated and are sold through retail stores or by mail-order.”
That’s the way it should be in America too.
There should be no regulation on silencers and everyone should be able to buy one that can buy a gun.
Are Silencers Illegal? Actually … No …
It’s not that silencers are illegal. They’re just a VERY regulated item in America.
According to the American Suppressor Association (ASA) …
SUPPRESSOR LEGALITY AND OWNERSHIP
Suppressors are regulated under the National Firearms Act (NFA) of 1934, which falls under the purview of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). To legally purchase or possess a suppressor you must:
* Be at least 21 years of age to purchase a suppressor from a dealer.
* Be at least 18 years of age to purchase a suppressor from an individual on a Form 4 to Form 4 transfer (contingent on state laws).
* Be at least 18 years of age to possess a suppressor as a beneficiary of a trust or as a member of a corporation (contingent on state laws).
* Be a resident of the United States.
* Be legally eligible to purchase a firearm.
* Pass a BATFE background check with a typical process time of 4 to 9 months.
* Pay a one time $200 Transfer Tax.
* Reside in one of the 41 states that currently allows civilian ownership of suppressors.
So while you can own a silencer in America, and many more people are doing it, it’s still a regulatory burden.
Plus, there is a mandatory $200 tax stamp fee you have to pay on top of the costs of your silencer.
Lastly, there is typically a LONG waiting period of time before you can actually take possession of the silencer.
You can again see all the hassles of purchasing a silencer at that link.
Why Should All Americans Have A Silencer?
Again, the ASA breaks it down pretty easily for you here on their site and this video:
BENEFITS OF SUPPRESSORS
Noise induced hearing loss and tinnitus are two of the most common afflictions for recreational shooters and hunters. Everyone knows that gunfire is loud, but very few people understand the repercussions that shooting can have on their hearing until it’s too late.
Suppressors reduce the noise of a gunshot by an average of 20 – 35 dB, which is roughly the same as earplugs or earmuffs. By decreasing the overall sound signature, suppressors help to preserve the hearing of recreational shooters, hunters, and hunting dogs around the world.
Most hunters do not wear hearing protection in the field because they want to hear their surroundings. The trouble is, exposure to even a single unsuppressed gunshot can, and often does, lead to permanent hearing damage. Suppressors allow hunters to maintain full situational awareness, while still protecting their hearing. The result is a safer hunting experience for the hunter, and for those nearby.
As urban developments advance into rural areas, shooting ranges and hunting preserves across the country are being closed due to noise complaints. Although it can still be heard, suppressed gunfire helps mitigate noise complaints from those who live near shooting ranges and hunting land.
One of the most common problems for shooters is decreased accuracy caused by flinching in anticipation of the firearms discharge and recoil. By containing the explosion of the gunpowder at the muzzle, suppressors reduce recoil, and help decrease muzzle flinch. These benefits lead to improved accuracy, better shot placement, and more humane hunts.
Silencers Are Great For Home Defense
Besides carrying a gun on your person for personal protection, most Americans who own a gun for self defense, keep the gun in their home.
They want a “home defense” gun.
Of course, that’s great, but how much better would a home defense gun be (either pistol, rifle or shotgun) if it was silenced.
The answer: a LOT better!
It would save your hearing and your family’s hearing in the event you ever had to shoot a gun inside your home in a self-defense situation where you most likely will not have ear protection (which is typically louder than shooting outdoors).
What About You? Do You Own a Silencer? Do You Want One?
I’m curious to know if you own a silencer?
If not, do you want one?
I know that millions more Americans are getting silencers these days because it’s becoming common knowledge that they are legal (just VERY burdensome to get and come with additional expenses).
I’m curious to know if you own a silencer or intend to get one. Let me know in the comments.
Maybe some day…..can’t swing it right now though…..
Would LOVE to have more than one but that $200 is ridiculous! Can’t afford THAT!
live in upstate NY….nuff said about that. would love one for my .22 rife for squirrel hunting, would be so much more effective. trump jr. has some very good points but especially here in ny we have an idiot governor who imposed even stricter gun laws in midnight vote (safe gun act) and federal government that wants to take all our guns….it just seems a hopeless cause.
Get a pistol permit and buy all the guns that you want, or can afford. This is exactly what the foolish government that we are suffering under, wants. We have a new President and he fully supports the 2nd Amendment. I believe that we are now watching the demise of liberalism and socialism. These foolish politicians all have armed protection, but they want us to all be victims!
I don’t own one because of all the regulations, special taxe and I don’t want to be on secret government list
of people they categorize as dangerous because they own a suppressor.
With all the stupid EPA regulations that borders on the most stupid stuff ever,,,,you would think they would be hopping up and down seeking to protect the hearing of Americans.
With all the hilarious and stupid lies about the climate change, you would think they would allow silencers to cool down the noise…..It is a joke that we have such a burden to own silencers.
I’m with you. What a joke.
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I believe silencers should be made available to anyone who legally owns a firerarm, I have used them, built them and you are correct they do protect your hearing and the flinch;that feeling right before you squeeze the trigger.
I have quite an arsenal but have at least two weapons that I would love to install a high quality suppressor on!
when im ready to need one ill just make it myself screw the alphabet soup NAZI’s in fact ill make the weapon to use it with too. they think i do not have my second amendment right because of non violent, non drug related felony’s, but my ancestors came on the mayflower and some of my ancestors were already here to meet them. they bleed in revolutionary war and war of 1812 too and every war since then.
i am a FREE MAN and will do as i please as long as i do not interfere with the rights of others!! they have the right to live where there is 0 guns, but have to move to another country to do that as this is America and not AMERICA INC. DEATH TO TYRANTS!!!
“alphabet soup NAZIs” – I like that, good description.
no, I do not have one. Yes I would like to have one on my home defense gun. Too expensive to get one. Too regulated in Kalifornia,
I feel really Bad for you folks in krazy kalifornia, too bad you let the demoCRAPS take over that once beautiful state!!
Well Frank…all the law abiding citizens that own firearms in this great state of California haven’t givin up yet…and yeah it’s true the Gov of this state has turned to shit but we aren’t letting any law dictate to us what we can have or not have. Even the Sheriffs don’t support this crap that this State Gov is trying to shove down our throats. People that open up their big mouth and say the shit you say shows us that you are not supporting the cause but looking away. Frank it doesn’t matter what State you are in…they’re coming for you too. There is no lines that separate us as American citizens when it comes to the Second Admn. It’s just too bad you weren’t sitting next to me when you typed the words “too bad you let”. I would have shoved my AR15 buttstock right down your throat…Mad? Yeah you better believe it!
Would like to own supressors, but tax burden alone is prohibitive. Remaining red tape is just added insult.
Yeh!! I would be interested, but I dont know how legal it is here in Michigan!!!
I can not figure out why the cost of a Silencer is so high, and then throw in all the extra BS involved, you can buy another weapon for the cost, over my head! $$$
You can thank the regulators for that!
It is pretty pathetic that I can legally make my own silencer but cannot possess it. Like nearly every regulation pertaining to firearms, this is just another stupid infringement of our rights. Organizations like ATF should not even exist in a free society. Note that the only states with total bans on silencers are the ones heavily populated by progressive liberals (NY, MA, RI, NJ, DE, IL, HI and CA). Most of these states have highly restrictive anti-gun laws, yet have the highest gun crime rates.
By the way, I do not consider suicide a crime even if the law generally does, since it is basically an unenforceable law. If a law is unenforceable it should not exist. Laws outlawing suicide only ensure that people are more determined in their efforts, since if they fail, they can be prosecuted for attempted suicide. If their life is already unbearable, why make it even more so? Just my opinion.
I’m with you on all the silencer stuff … and having a law against killing yourself is pretty silly too.
Could the hunter friendly states push for legislation which would allow a $200.00 write off on property tax when the purchase of a suppressor is made?
To protect hearing, AID Noise abatement, reduce
citizen complaints of hearing distant gunshots at dove shoots etc. increased comfort for young shooters, females etc, decreased flinching promoting greater safety, etc.
All seem to be a worthwhile goal.
Yeah there are literally so many benefits. It’s ridiculous.
I saw one person complain that you need a muffler on your car — it’s a law — but putting a “muffler” on your gun is illegal. Crazy when you think about it.
This is why I no longer support the NRA. But I’m a life member so, they got what they want; money. And we still don’t get what We, the People want because the NRAl has been corrupted.
The well done article here reads not unlike a litigation/complaint. As it SHOULD BE ALREADY if the NRA was up on the game and not, instead, ‘gaming’ the sheeple in their suck ass sycophant government bullshit with their traditional mode of compromise and Islamic type compliancy and ‘submissiveness–which keeps us all under a pile of unconstitutional horse shit laws and laws and more laws until they can one day soon easily issue the next unconstitutional bureaucratic administrative mandate to step up the criminal arrests–especially for multiple gun owners so as to effectively disarm most, if not all, 2nd/A Patriots! Pretty slick, huh? And we all fell for this like 17 year old hard boys for a 16 year old white pantied cheerleader.
“… Because the unconstitutional ‘cruel and unusual punishment’, of permanently banning any possession of a firearm after a person has been deemed rehabilitated and redeemed enough for re-entry into society once again as a law abiding citizen, has been planned in the insidious framework of a disarmament agenda managed by a totalitarian power elite and facilitated by the 1968 GCA and its anti-2nd/A ramifications which essentially illegally creates and profiles a permanently punished subculture which includes most potential anti-government dissidents who would be most likely to take up arms against a Tyrannical, Fascist government…” –P.J. Klipangle.
“FACT: Thanks to an overabundance of 4,500 plus Federal crimes and FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND PLUS RULES AND REGULATIONS, it is estimated that the average American committs three felonies a day without knowing it! In fact, according to Law Professor John Baker ‘There is no one in the United States over the age of 18 who can not be indicted for some Federal Crime. That is Not an exaggeration.” From the book ‘BATTLEFIELD AMERICA’ By John Whitehead”
So instead of initiating a major class action lawsuit against these obviously agenda based total disarmament schemes with unnecessary and mostly unconstitutional laws, The NRA and others who SHOULD be working on this, simply let it slide further down the slippery, scummy, freedom killing slope of Tyranny?!
And, of course, with the silencer issue, which should be a major class action so terrifying because of the Billions of dollars in damages because of the Millions of people with gun related hearing loss among other things, even the Military can potentially be sued??? Yet the NRA is still as silent as a piss ant’s motor scooter on a field trip through the tunnel of a 12 inch .308 suppressor…in terms of initiating any political or lawsuit action?
Why aren’t the Silencer manufacturers hiring lawyers for a class action against the government, ATF, et al?
With the right jury, there can easily be a jury nullification of the illegal law itself? Thus ending ALL the ATF bullshit, once and for all? No need for MOLAN LABE nonsense? Which, by the way, is so pitifully stupid when all we have to do is is reverse the ‘okey-doke’ on the Totaltarian Leftists with their own ‘legal’ medicine?
Because if we don’t do this pretty quickly. We’ll all at least know, when it’s too late, of course, the reason ‘They’ refer to us as Sheeple and Peons, (pronounced, fittingly…”pee-ons”.
Because we were so lazy, stupid, and weak that we couldn’t even make them completely remove ALL based laws that even potentially had the possibility of disarming the public in any way shape or form.
Yeah the entire NFA – National Fireams Act – banning silencers, short barreled rifles, etc needs to be repealed.
It didn’t work back when the passed it to fight organized crime in the 30’s and it’s simply ridiculousness now.
For that matter repeal all the NFA laws, the GCA, every one of them — including the ATF.
Better than repealing then, get them declared unConstitutional and pre-empt passage of new ones.
Why don’t we just get to the chase here. The FBI, ATF, DHS, CDC, USFS, DNR, IRS, FEMA – ETC! are all UNCONSTITUTIONAL, ILLEGAL organizations! Even a standing perpetual US ARMY is ILLEGAL! There is NO authorization for any of these NATIONAL POLICE FORCES in the Constitution! The ONLY Police force ever mentioned by the Constitution is the County Sheriff, duly elected BY THE PEOPLE! That the government would even have the means to enforce the illegal laws these agencies themselves create (article I, section 1, first clause all power of legislation to congress alone! All law created by executive orders – good or bad are ILLEGAL! And it is ILLEGAL for the supreme court to make laws for that matter!!!) is utterly OBCENE!
This is what IS legal – the Principles of ’98; the States’ rights to Nullification of ILLEGAL laws – and that would go to ALL of these agencies. But we have been put in a position of BLACK MAIL by the Central Government with money! They have STOLEN our resources then turned around and offered it back – as WELFARE!! The NRA may be able to do all of these things you say it should do but Litigation is NOT superior to Legislation in terms of the strength of the Constitutional. States need to realize again that in a Federation THEY are superior to any central government of that Federation. THEY are Sovereign whereas the central government over the mechanism of Uniting the States is NOT. The Federal Government’s only jurisdiction is over the concerns of the FEDERATION – NOT over the States and NOT OVER THE PEOPLE!
Restore the Constitution – by blood if need be!!!!
Take America back from the elitists, progressive liberals, New World Order spooks and over hormoned mothers. Stop career politicians at 2 terms without the perks. We must, if we do not then who will? The black lives matter crowd, ACORN the federal and state police? I doubt it, the mantle must weigh on us to do the right, proper and necessary actions, starting today with even a tiny thing and it will grow. We must get proactive or we are ruined as a nation with a government for the people, of the people, by the people.
Don’t forget, the NRA’s ability to fight against unConstititional legistation in court or in the legislatures and in elections is dependent on the funds donated to those independent PACs, such as NRA-ILA, NRA-PVF, etc. Membership funds are not eligible for those purposes, although the membership numbers do give some clout in elections, etc., but the real money comes from the shooting/hunting industry, so get the gun industry involved in fighting for silencer rights, etc., instead of blaming the NRA.
Ric, because of the immensely profound magnitude of this insidious obsessive compulsive populate disarmament threat against our liberties by the Totalitarian agenda, which never gives up even as they are temporarily politically defeated because Obama is still trying to disarm SSD recipients who have assistance with business and personal ‘finances’, as a precursor to a similar effort underway for all PTSD vets or chronic pain medicated wounded warriors…
The only way to gain ground anymore is to have a no holds barred total wipe out of ALL gun control laws in any form possible whether it be legislative, nullifications, High court rulings, or whatever it takes, again, of ALL Gun laws, period.
To subscribe to, or worse yet, to compromise this effort in favor of proven specious hoaxes like necessary ‘extreme crime prevention’ and the outright fraudulent and actually dangerous lies of ‘public safety’ which the disarmament Nazis use to trick the dummies among us into capitulation which just gives them an inch, so they can violate us by yards…
…amounts to nothing less than consorting with the enemy for profit at best, and treason at worst.
Because there are certain immutable principles in life that cannot and must not be watered down with mutually beneficial ‘compliance’ agreements and other such compromising submission defeats. The 2nd and 4th Amendments are of such ‘in stone’ realities.
The NRA has historically made back room deals on virtually every gun issue. Because after all, they have ‘bills’ to pay. And if we repealed, nullified, or made illegal all gun laws themselves,
the NRA would be out of business.
I not only blame them for being a big part of the problem and not the solution, I ACCUSE them!
The reason suppressors are s expensive is because of the regulatory nightmare the manufacturers have to wade through. Time is money when it comes to labor. The other reason is that the market is limited because of the cost, which most ordinary Americans cannot fit into their budgets, especially with the unconstitutional tax placed on the item. A tax that high becomes an infringement of the second amendment when it restricts ownership to only the small part of the population who can afford it.
Basically, most of our legislators know little to nothing about firearms and have no respect for the Constitution or the public they are supposed to serve, hence the over-regulation. Oh, and if they can squeeze in another tax they always will. It gives them even more taxpayer money to waste, or worse yet, give to society’s drones at our expense.
Caleb for PREZ! CALEB FOR PREZ…or at least for now, maybe a state rep in your area?????
EXACTLY, Dr. William! Excellent point of taxation being an infringement argument for a lawsuit!!! Historically the 1934 NFA and Tax stamp had a more insidious purpose than just fighting the gangsta’s. The Tax of 200. was almost completely impossible to afford when you consider the inflation ratio to today of approximately 30-1. As the dollar back then had 30 times the comparative purchasing power it had today and essentially, I think that 200. was more that the cost of most guns back then, including full auto military stuff, which had no regulatatory prohibitions for private ownership prior to the NFA.
So what was the purpose, then? It should be obvious to anyone who studies the actual political/social climate of the time. We were still in a depression and socio-political dissent had begun to emerge in hard core political pockets nation wide. Most of European Socialist ideology, with some German intellectual influence.
The U.S. ‘ruling class’ and its political lapdogs wanted to preclude any and all ‘dissent’ from fomenting into a Bolshevik type class uprising against established ‘authority’. Sound familiar, LOL?
First rule of effective Tyrannical endeavor is to DISARM THE FUCKING PEONS and disappear their rabble rousing leadership, (like they did at Malheur Refuge in Oregon) without bringing any attention to yourself by disguising every Totalitarian maneuver as something for ‘Public Safety’ or necessay ‘Crime Prevention’.
A 200. dollar tax back then would be the equivilent of around 6,000. today. So ‘They’ effectively made it far too expensive back then for the average person during a time of depression to afford anything of ‘superior’ military grade individual firepower, and essentially ‘solved’ their potential problem of any 2nd/A type of people’s militia having much chance to ‘gun up’ enough to defeat government authoritarianism by armed resistance.
Until in started again, during the Viet Nam war. They then came up with the ’68 GCA and the plan to make permanent disarmament for all criminals (especially political enemy-of-the-state dissidents) a law, so all they then needed after that, was MORE laws to make anybody they wanted a defined criminal who could then be easily subsequently permanently disarmed BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH! Just like they are obsessively compulsively disordered with NOW!
Okay, now some of you more intellectually predisposed analysts out there are probably wondering at this point in the discussion why there is not a compartively prohibitive ATF tax on NFA items Now that kept up with inflation? After all, 200. is really not that ‘prohibitive’ to persons whose main entertainment is firearms, when you put into perspective the cost of nice firearms? Compared to a nice trolling motor on a 20 grand bass boat, 200. is ‘affordable’.
There was always a purposeful rationale for not usuriously raising the tax and never supporting the complete absence of any and all BATFE controlled restrictions on silencers that most people are not aware of, but proves the lengths to which Tyrannical disarmment tactics will deteriorate to.
Can anybody figure it out yet?
Hint’. it coincides with the same seemingly illogical uselessness of banning flash hiders under the ‘assault weapons ban’ legislations???
I’m not sure how useful a suppressor would really be. For target shooting, ear plugs aren’t much of a problem, of course you could be using both and reducing the noise even more. For hunting, how many shots do you need to take that you’re going to go deaf? I used to do a lot of target shooting without plugs or anything, hi-power rifles, pistols, etc., and I did get tinnitus, but it basically went away now that i don’t get to shoot as often. The downside of the suppressors include the fact that unless you slow down the projectile, it’s still going to break the sound barrier so there’s your noise. The slower ammo isn’t what you want to hunt with anyway, so there’goes your accuracy as well. You need to practice with what you hunt with, to zero in your scope, etc. For general practice, (practicing the mechanics of good shooting, etc.) you can use a .22 and use ear plugs. Plus, the experience I’ve had with suppressors is that the weight bows the rifle’s barrel enough to cause several inches of drop at 100 yards. Not only that, each shot heats up the barrel and it bows even more. If you have enough patience to wait for your barrel to completely cool between every shot when sighting in and using a suppressor, then you have to hope the wind hasn’t changed in the meantime. For me, using a suppressor is more of a novelty than a need,. That said, I don’t think there’s any justification for the restrictions on them either. Just because I don’t prefer them doesn’t mean someone else shouldn’t have the right to use them. How would people like it if only one kind of car was allowed unless you waded through a lot of red tape to drive something other than a Yugo or something. Freedom of choice is part of what freedom is about.
Would love to have one for all of my firearms. The regulations and cost associated with those regulations are combersom at best. From the safety aspect silencer regulations should be more aligned with gun locks and eye protection. I think paying the government $200 for earplugs is just right ridiculous!
It allows shooters to enjoy the sport without noise pollution. I am for them!
I would love to have them for all my weapons. BUT the less I have to interact with the government, the better I like it !!
I trust no one there with any of my information!!
I agree that it doesn’t make any sense; just more government control. I live in a rural area so during hunting season the shooting noise is not pleasant. I wish everyone had silencers.
I would love to have a couple of them for target shooting and home defense.They are legal now in Michigan but you have to have the top law officer in your area sign off.Sheriff Wrigglesworth in my area is a jerk who doesn’t want anyone to even own or carry a hand gun and he won’t sign off.He thinks he is God and puts himself above the law.
Yup that’s the problem with that part of the law. Although I THINK from what I heard the recent changes they made to the TRUST laws for getting the silencers means that the LEO can NOT deny your application. IT’s just a “notify” part of the law, he is not needed to “approve” it.
I would like to have one for each of my guns but cannot afford even one and I don’t want to be on Government list of people with guns and silencers!
Love to have one but buying a gun is invasive enough. We need to reign in Congress and exercise our 2ND Amendment Rights as we choose, as it was written in the Constitution. Without the multitude of government agencies nibbling away at the 2ND Amendment while they attempt to continue to limit citizen gun use and ownership into oblivion.
Fight for the 2ND because as it was said, “The Constitution is a structure, each amendment supports the others. If you lose one, you will lose them all” and if I’m alive, I’ll be long gone. No one would want to live in America without THE Constitution. Beat back the Free Shit Army and keep liberty and freedom alive for our kids and their kids, etc…
So say you do get Suppressors off the the Class 3 list. Now what was virtually a $199 to say $2000 item. Now it just went to double that amount as supply and demand just escalated substantially. Also went from being a protected item on the N.F.A list to not being on there. Now the Anti-gun and liberals will definitely go after said item. Because it is no longer a protected item under N.F.A. guidelines.
Then there is the other side. Everyone will want a suppressor and manufacturers will fill the void and pumping out as many as they can. Which means quality goes way down.
I’m very pro 2A. I would love to have a couple suppressors. I don’t even really care about the $200 tax stamp. Its the 5 to 10 month waiting period I can’t stand.
Uh Nick … I’m not sure you understand how supply and demand work?
If silencers were off the NFA list and they could be easily bought and sold just like regular gun parts (parts, I said, which require no paper work) — then the supply would increase much faster than demand. Look at how many AR-15 uppers/barrels/stocks/etc are around now and how low the prices have fallen. Increased demand drives increased supply = lower prices.
Quality would not go “way down” either if supply went up. Yes, there would be “budget” or low quality companies entering or producing in the market (think like Condor for tactical clothing or UTG for gun parts) but there would remain the highend original manufacturers. And there would be “mid grade” high quality for the price stuff from companies like primary arms.
Your logic is kind of weird. But yes, the waiting period is stupid.
You’re right, Caleb. The free market competition system would take care of the cost choices and like you said, there would be a variety of choices depending upon quality and purpose and the prices would adjust accordingly. As mass production increases, other manufacturing venues will enter into cost reduction in terms of materials and labor. After all, it’s just a freaking muffler? once an effective design is in, the most basic robots can build them in seconds, if not minutes? Overall, the prices would soon be lower than what you’d pay now for the same thing, especially without the tax and time spent on paperwork.
Exactly the beauty of free market capitalism at work 🙂
the atf can kiss our a–es, and they can take their nfa list and tax stamps and go f’k themselves with them….they DO NOT have the right to infringe….WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO OWN SILENCERS, SBR’s, SBS’s, FULL AUTO’S AND ANYTHING FIREARM RELATED, AND WE DO NOT NEED ANYONES PERMISSION, WE DO NOT NEED TO PAY ANYONE, NOR IS IT ANY OF THEIR BUSINESS WHAT WE OWN, PERIOD…
Yep i have one and love it
I Michael Wayne Chamlee do hear by swear to protect the construction against all enemies both forun and domestic so help me God. Any one ever took that oath.
Yes I would like 3 or for of them but to much hassle
I Michael Wayne Chamlee do hear by swear to protect the constitution agaest all enemy’s both foran and damasteck so help me God.Any one ever took that outh befor.I do beleave it seas it all.
Major problem is, for the most part, FEDERAL BALONEY, as per Federal Firearms Act of 1934, though there are some state problems too. Of course, media baloney s not especially helpful either.
I am a retired Sheriff Deputy with a large angency in the state of Florida. And yes I would love to own a few suppressor high quality but the NFA bullshit ruins it all as it was ment too. You buy a 200. dollar 22 supp. Plus 200 tax stamp for the privilege. That a hell of a lot of money. I once had a talk with a ATF agent and he told we have about three or four people doing the paperwork he thought it was dam funny. I did not I told him to fuck off and just walked away. Some are very good people some are ass holes especially Oduchbag government. Who knows if Trump become POTUS. maby all that NFA bullshit will go away. And maby we will get double lucky and Hillary will die. All we can do is hope for the best. You.
wow that’s not funny at all. no wonder it takes so long.
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Yes, I agree and wholeheartedly support 2nd Amendment and the ownership & use of suppressors. Living in Arizona means weather conditions year round that are conducive to outdoor and shooting sports. With open carry and concealed carry not being a problem, the only problem I see with suppressors is their size. Concealing or carrying them during normal days out in public could get awkward.
Would love to have one, but unfortunately I live in the state of Massachusetts. It was bad enough getting a concealed carry permit, besides they are illegal in this state. Unfortunately, I will have to wait till I move out of state, which is what my wife has been after us to do for years.
I have 9 silencers and a machine gun. I’m an addict 🙁
And I’m envious 🙂
I own 3…. A .40 Osprey, a .30 Specwar, and a .30 Omega. I can wait to try them out hunting season, they are awesome shooting at home. Live in the semi country. Enough space to shoot safe but still neighbor’s with horses and stuff. My .308 is about as loud as a .22 so the neighbors no longer mind. 🙂
That is awesome! Can’t wait to hear how hunting goes!
No I do not own any yet but, YES, I plan on getting the process started with my next tax return as I am retired.
With all the comber sum laws about silencers , seem a lot of people have forgotten about the last lead smelter being forced to close because of EPA violations and the admission by the current POS administration staff that is the reason for the massive purchases by IRS, US FOREST SERVICE, FBI etc, etc.
One question please, why does a Forest Ranger/Game Warden need a fully automatic rifle? Every hunters camp I have ever stumbled into has always been friendly easy going people.
Why do you K-E-E-P O-N using a word with zero meaning in this context? Silencer? Gun silencer????? No such thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get your head out of…
I agree. It was used in Hollycrapwood to amuse the viewers. No suppressor is silent. Most are just below the range that hurts your hearing. Amazing how many so called journalists use the word silencer. Ignorance isn’t bliss, it’s dangerous.
Jim, Joe-V, I’m sorry to have to inform y’all but I’ve tested several “silenced/sound suppressed’ guns including a suppressed tactical CQB 300 blackout carbine that had virtually no sound perceived other than the mechanical noise of the action recycling. And we had a P-22 with an new experimental silencer that was quieter than a fart at a bratfest.
Of course for that kind of firearm ‘silence’, you need to use subsonic ammo as well.
And, of course, Jim, we keep on using the word silencer, when the term is appropriate, because we feel like it, you know, 1st Amendment and all.
And it is enjoyable to piss off all you anal retentive grammar Nazis with your distorted and completely irrelevant concerns.
I would own silencers for all my weapons if they were reasonable to purchase. Why would anyone hunt, shoot, and plink without one if they were OK to own.
It seems to me that noise reducers should be mandatory on all firearms for the same reason that mufflers are required on cars. Someone fails to see the obvious! The main problem that I see is with concealed carry. Kind of hard to wear one inside your pants. I guess very baggy pants could be a fashion statement.
If they were legal, I suspect we would see a market for pistols/conceal carry open up more — smaller versions — maybe the size of compensators to knock down the decibels a bit. As it is, I dont think pistols are that loud … a rifle or shotgun though … we should all have them!
1st, the term “silencer” is incorrect. There aren’t any. No suppressor can silenceasily a gun. The Liberals love to use the term silencer to give it a sneaky, spy or sniper appearance. All suppressors do is lower the soun of a gun to safe levels for hearing. Again the Fed is illegally infringing on our rights. Any èlected government employee take the same oath to defend our Constitution. Any that make laws that purposely subvert the Constitution is breaching there oaths and should lose their jobs. If they disagree with our founding documents they shouldn’t be in our government or try and do get 2/3 of the States to ratify the amendment they falsely believe is wrong. They may get 3 or 4 States. It is time to stop accepting our governments overreach and claim their self anointed power. Mr. Trump will get that started.
Got a Krinkov flash hider that increases back pressure for cycling. Barking Spiders were out of stock. Might get a silencer for the Glock.
Another case of where a given name helps the Gestapo-like government collect more money and at the same time, prevent the shooting public from buying what they want. Saturday Night Special …… Oooooo !
Assault Rifle ….. Oooooo ! Silencer ….. Oooooo !
There is no such thing ! This ain’t James Bond where the gun of whatever caliber just goes “phut” and kills the good guy or the bad guy.
I feel like it would help if attacked and needed to conceal the flash identifying where I was shooting from. Honest and safe gun owners agree the recoil is less the noise is less and would scare off less game when hunting. But just like Marijuana this government is in bed with big Pharma and will not allow cure but rather continue treatment until the demise and then money is made in the funeral business and flower shops. WE need to take back America , the so called transparency we got with obama was a joke but allowed John Kerry to send 10 million to his daughters foundation and the Clinton’s to become billionaires from the Clinton Foundation. The pay to play has many of our representatives in bed wit a rapist a lesbian a muslim gay and a transvestite pretending to be the first lady.
I don’t have one but would like to for the sake of my hearing. I use hearing protection but a suppressor would be even more effective. I practice a lot with my pistol because I never want to hurt anyone except the person that wants to harm me or my family. Practice makes me more comfortable that if the situation arises, I have trained myself to handle it. I really don’t understand why any thinking individual would want to outlaw something that protects your hearing. It doesn’t make any sense. There are many laws here in California that make no sense.
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