When you see what some anti-gunners say, you find yourself simply shaking your head in disbelief. You simply can’t make this stuff up, it’s just that bizarre.
Today’s exhibit is a statement by a lawyer for Bloomberg anti-gun group Everytown for Gun Safety. Victor Joecks gives us the details:
Faced with a difficult question about the background check bill, a lawyer for Everytown for Gun Safety recommended violating federal law.
On Tuesday, state Senate Majority Leader Kelvin Atkinson, D-North Las Vegas, and William Rosen, an Everytown attorney, presented a universal background check bill. It mirrored the initiative, Question 1, passed in 2016. The only difference is that it requires state-run background checks on private-party firearm sales and transfers. The initiative required the FBI to run those checks, but the feds refused — which is why it never went into effect.
The proposal, Senate Bill 143, exempts some exchanges, including ones that occur between immediate family members. That includes spouses, parents and children, but not in-laws. Assemblywoman Jill Tolles, R-Reno, shared that she bought her first firearm from her sister-in-law and previously received hunting rifles from her father-in-law. Tolles asked if those transfers would now result in a gross misdemeanor.
“In those instances, the simplest solution would probably be for your spouse or your sibling, if they took possession of the gun and then gave the gun to you,” Rosen said.
That’s a logical solution with one small problem. That would be a straw purchase, which is a crime punishable by 10 years in jail.
Under federal law, a straw purchaser is someone who obtains a firearm intending to transfer it to someone else. The goal is to stop someone without a criminal record from buying a gun for someone who can’t obtain one legally. Having purer motives doesn’t make it any less illegal. None of that seemed to occur to Rosen — until a gun store owner pointed it out while testifying against the bill.
Rosen’s response was terrible advice but an excellent illustration of the best argument against the bill.
“Laws like this only apply to people who are law-abiding,” state Sen. Ira Hansen, R-Sparks, said.
If a gun-control advocate can spontaneously describe how to get around a background check, criminals aren’t going to have a problem ignoring the law. It will, however, be a hassle for responsible gun owners.
Remember, now, that the person who is advocating for people to commit a crime is a lawyer for one of the biggest anti-gun organizations in the country. And that he also, inadvertently, gave clear examples of why background checks don’t work.
With claptrap like this being spouted by gun control “leaders,” you would think that killing the foolish message of promoting gun control would be easy, but, sadly, too many people buy into this line of thinking hook, line, and sinker. And that is why we have to remain vigilant in protecting gun rights.
Any way to usrup the 2nd amendment for law abiding citizens. Criminals will not obey anyway
Exactly.
And all lawmakers know it and don’t care. Governments, as a group, have NO interest in protecting private citizens. Their only interest is ***power***, getting it, keeping it, getting more of it and the illusion of protection (such as today’s gun laws) in order to stay in power. That is why we still get self-aggrandizing prosecutors who want us to kneel meekly for execution when attacked instead of fighting back. Their attitude is that when you are attacked then your Right To Life goes out the window. Private citizens? Plenty more where we came from.
Well… Leftists…
Last I heard, gun control advocate, Michael Bloomberg has 17 armed bodyguards. Bloomberg wants the rest of to be defenseless! He’s an elitist!
isn’t Bloomberg’s bodyguard mob more of a “Nazi tactic” from the history books ?
When they criminalize gun ownership, I will become a criminal.
I have a T-shirt that says that.
The Anti-Gunners are playing percentages with this bill. The criminal element comprises a relatively small of gun owners and the supporters know this.
They know they there is no way short of house-to-house searches to get any better results, but, most guns are owned by responsible, law-abiding citizens, and if most of them fall in line, that’s a good number of guns registered with the Govt. for all practical purposes.This bill is only an incremental step in their drive to ban private ownership of guns altogether.
Our struggle to protect our 2nd Amendment rights MUST CONTINUE.
This is my answer to all the liberal airheads in Washington, California and beyond who keep yelping for banning firearms.
I am going to answer this question one more time repeating what I and others have said on this board a multitude of times. Weapons are tools (if you can understand the phrase), as are firearms (guns, rifles, revolvers, pistols,handguns), knives, clubs, ropes, forks, baseball bats, newspapers, pillows, bathtubs, automotive vehicles, belts, ties, matches (arson incendiaries), poisons, swords,Knives, lances, boiling oil and almost every tool known to man. All, and I mean all, have been USED by man to kill and maim his fellow man since time began.
Now, I won’t argue the right or wrong of the existence of tools. I do argue that the use of tools is is a personal responsibility. The person determines what the tool does.
I have tried to explain this to you and others many times and failed. I thought, in the beginning, that the reason for that failure was that I was not communicating on a level that could be understood. I was wrong. The reason that I failed was that some people do not know what personal responsibility means.
Contrary to some people’s beliefs, there are some very evil people in this world. They do not obey the law, nor do they have any conscience as to right or wrong. They will kill, steal or mutilate anything or anybody that either do not believe as they do or have something that they want. I will not be a victim. You are free to do as you want.
Weapons are not the problem. In psych 101, you learn that the more rats you place in a confined area, the more violence you have. As the worlds population increases, you will see a continual rise in violence. Someone much smarter than I will have to come up with an answer other than ban the tool to settle this one.
O.K. This is the last time that I will address this issue. I hope that you are smart enough to understand this.
Right on! Of course, we already have more than sufficient laws against harming others with our tools.
Right on for sure! As Col. Cooper pointed out years ago, the argument that guns incite crimes of passion is just aSome shouldn’t but that doesn’t mean that we should all be behind bars. Besides, anyone who wants to kill can find many weapons that don’t require guns. There we would call for campaign against screwdrivers, hammers, fire pokers, baseball bats, you name it! Killing is a matter of will, not weapons. One can’t control the act by passing laws about the means that MIGHT be employed.
This is from memory because I remember reading this. Col. Cooper has been proven to be right.
I’d rather be a criminal than a victim, any day!
Judged by 12, rather than carried by 6!
I go along with any one person that would have Bloomberg give up all his armed people, he wants only the rich to be armed ( he says he does not have Weapons only his guards ) well if i had his money I would everyone armed!
Any way you look at this. Bloomberg and his peers want to be “Mao” or ‘Stalin” like. If only they have firearms it is much easier to keep their billions and power without fear of the peasants.
Stalin (Bloomberg) says “One man with a gun can control 100 without guns!”
Criminal : Someone that does not abide by the law …
WHAT MAKES THESE ” LAW MAKERS ” THINK CRIMINALS WILL FOLLOW THESE ???
Please people, this is not about weapons, tools, or any other objects, this is simply a step in the control of the population. The richer the elite become, the more paranoid they become, convincing themselves that the little people will come and take it away from them. They want ultimate power and fortune, we are only needed to provide them with their desires. They want people, just smart enough to work for the elitists, increasing their power and fortunes, not for the betterment of those workers. To fully rule the world, one must have total control of the populous, this will never be possible when that population could rise up armed with tools, to remove the elitists from their ability to control. To obey gun laws, which are unconstitutional is the first place, is a step towards becoming a slave. Then my friends, you will be living in a socialist world! I for one will fight that outcome to my last breath!
I am an American and last time I checked we live in a free country. We live by the laws of this land. We stand up for our rights and uphold our Constitution. So any liberals out there don’t love this country see your way out of it as We The People dont want you here anyways go live in some other socialist country because it will never happen here in this Great Nation. We The People we won’t give up our Second Amendment rights not now not ever. We hunt for food for our family’s we are real people with a life. So get off the we’re going to take your guns because it ain’t gonna happen. Guns don’t kill people stupid ass People kill people. And stupid people still have guns. So no matter what you do they will still have guns.
You are right for sure. The 2nd Amendment was written in order to protect the rest of the Constitution. Keep your guns and don’t give them up!
You are right for sure. The 2nd Amendment was written in order to protect the rest of the Constitution. Keep your guns and don’t give them up!
There are no decent law abiding Democrats. The American voters need to remove them from politics for good by voting them all out.
In this last election, several democrats were defeated on election day. Then suddenly, boxes of ballots were mysteriously “found” in closets, trunk of cars and so forth, that were ‘surprisingly’ mostly in favor of the democrat. Just enough to put them over the top.
Dems will lie, cheat and steal…anything to steal an election. If memory serves, in more than just Arizona and Florida, this occured. So, just voting them out doesn’t always work. The criminal progressive liberal democratic network is alive and well in American politics. It will remain so until such time as measures are developed and implimented to ensure fair and honest elections. (But, I wouldn’t hold your breath at the moment.)
Keep locked and loaded. Keep your powder dry.
The problem with all of this is only conservatives read this type of message. It does not get out to the masses. Maybe it does not matter, or it may change the minds of enough midstream liberals to elect some more conservatives. We also need to hold the elected Republicans to task on gun control an all other issues. Look at what Rick Scott did in Florida. Look at Marco Rubio. Why do some Republicans not fight harder with President Trump? Trump why did you put an anti gun person in as attorney general? When people talk about using their guns as weapons to keep their guns, our freedom, our country is going to be over. We need to teach. Liberals need to be educated on many aspects. We need to teach our children and young people about the history of our nation. Republicans need to get out and support, they need to vote and they need to hold the ones they vote for accountable. We need to stop buying from companies that are anti gun. There is a list of them. Levi and Tom’s are recent members. We need to join together and file lawsuits against those trying to impose gun laws that are not constitutional. Even if they go nowhere, it will be a hassle for them with the right attorneys. Just my two cents.
This state, Once a proud western state, has now been over run by out of state creations from stupid asshole states who are against our freedoms and the second amendment. WHEN PEOPLE WAKE UP AND REALIZE THAT ANY LAWS THAT ARE MADE ARE ONLY GOING TO BE OBEYED BY LAW ABIDING CITIZENS. CRIMINALS, BIG TIME OR SMALL TIME DO NOT CARE ABOUT ANY LAWS THAT ARE PASSED, THAT IS WHY THEY ARE CRIMINALS. TO PASS ANY TYPE OF RESTRICTIVE LAWS ABOUT GUNS IS ONLY PUTTING THE LAW ABIDING CITIZEN IN HARMS WAY. FOR NO MATTER HOW MANY OR HOW RESTRICTIVE THE LAWS ARE, THE CRIMINALS DO NOT CARE AND IT ONLY MAKES THEIR OVER BERING CONTROL ON CITIZENS THAT ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DEFEND THEMSELVES BECAUSE THE GREAT AND GRAND CONTROLLERS OF THE LAWS HAVE DECLARED IT TO BEE OPEN SEASON FOR CRIMINALS ON THE LAW ABIDING CITIZENS. IT IS AFACT THAT BACKGROUND CHECKS ARE NOT STOPPING ANY CRIMINALS, BECAUSE THEY DO NOT BUY OR GET GUNS WHERE THEY MUST GO THROUGH A BACKGROUND CHECK, THEY GET FOR PEOPLE WHO DEAL IN ILLEGAL GOTTEN GUNS, CASH ONLY NO QUESTIONS ASKED. COMMON SENSE, PEOPLE!
SIMPLE SOLUTION: JOIN THE USSCA TODAY ! THEN, KNOW THE LAWS AND TRAIN, TRAIN, TRAIN
ALONG WITH GUNS COME THE RESPONSIBILITIES TO UNDERSTAND THEM AND THE LAWS THAT PROTECT “WE THE PEOPLE”, THEY’RE STILL ON THE BOOKS TOO
U S C C A – $30 A MONTH – TRAINING – WORRY NO MORE
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