Like many former “ground-pounders”, my view of the AK family of firearms used to be pretty stereotypical: They go “bang” when you pull the trigger and throw rounds in the general direction you point them towards. I used a bunch of AK variants during my Army career but I never gave Mikhail Kalashnikov’s simple masterpiece much thought beyond its “minute of man” accuracy, cheek-eating folding stock and hefty muzzle flash. Taking the time to actually zero them can make AKs aim-worthy but they are still not known for precision. I just assumed the 7.62x39mm cartridge they fire was likewise incapable of doing much more than moving through the air and hurting whatever it occasionally hit. Several years ago I learned that I was very, very wrong.
Not long after retiring from the Army I decided to stop lugging my .308 Win.-chambered AR around the woods during deer season. Don’t get me wrong—I love me some .308 Win. I either had an SR25, M1A or a G3 rifle variant in my hands for the last 12 years of my career. But once I hung up my fightin’ boots for good, the willpower required to punish myself with more weight and bulk than necessary evaporated. I resolved to build a carbine on the smaller AR-15 sized platform but chambered for a cartridge suitable for whitetail, hogs, coyote and home-defense. At that time my practical choices were limited to 6.5 Grendel, 6.8 SPC, .300 Whisper, and 7.62x39mm. I liked the .300 Whisper in both sub and supersonic loadings but I wanted a cartridge with lots of factory ammo options and .300 Blackout had not yet made its SAAMI debut. Previous bad experiences with 6.8 SPC ruled that one out for me. Parts to build 6.5 Grendels were non-existent at the time and again, no factory loads were offered. That left me with a Russian dance partner named 7.62×39. I figured that if it would at least shoot as well or better than a .30-30 Winchester at 100 yards, the end result would be a suitable woodlands deer gun.
Imagine my surprise when right out of the gate the first one I built shot consistently below 1 MOA at 100 yards—with multiple factory loads.
Constructing what has become my general-purpose carbine was not without some hiccups. For some reason I never slow down enough to do much research, so I dove in without any idea of others’ lessons learned. I picked what I thought looked like the best components from a very limited field of choices. I quickly learned that firing pins need a slightly longer protrusion through the bolt face and/or a wider tip in order to reliably ignite most of the eastern European, steel-cased ammunition primers. A simple web search would have told me that ahead of time. I also found that most 7.62×39 AR barrel makers do not have a good grasp of gas ports. It took a lot of trial and error to find the right port sizes and adjustable gas block or buffer/action spring combinations for different length gas systems. As more barrel makers have come on line, factory port sizes are not as far off as they once were. But I still typically have to open them up to differing degrees, dependent on the gun’s setup.
The 7.62×39 AR configuration uses the same bolt carrier as 5.56 variants but a different bolt, firing pin, extractor and magazine are required for its different cartridge design and dimensions. I used to consider this a detractor when compared to chamberings that use the same bolt carrier group and mags. But after a former customer managed to destroy his custom 5.56 AR by hammering his bolt closed on a .300 Blackout and then firing it, the different bolt and magazine requirement doesn’t seem like such a bad thing after all. Ammunition cost and availability are huge advantages in 7.62×39. In past years when other cartridges were scarce and prices are inflated, this ammo was easy to find and prices held steady thanks in large part to supplies coming from Europe.
Several factory loads are available from US and foreign factories that bring accuracy and downrange performance to the party in one package.
My favorite factory fodder is Federal’s 123 gr soft point, which also happens to be a very good expander in tissue. Their 123 gr Fusion load is also very good at keeping rounds together on target and doing heavy tissue damage. Hornady’s 123 gr SST and SST-Black loads also shoot nice groups and expand well in critters. The first season that I hunted with my 7.62×39, I took a 125 pound buck at 120 yards. The Hornady 123 gr SST projectile did exactly what it was designed to do with a clean, one-shot drop.
Decent ammo choices from across the pond include both Tul and Wolf hollow points. Two of my customers use Russian hollow points for permitted culling and livestock predator control with great success. A whole host of factory loads are available from other manufacturers too, mostly in FMJ and soft point designs. The only factory round I cannot get to run reliably in any AR is Golden Tiger’s 123 gr FMJ. That is a real shame because this ammo’s boat-tail projectiles are very accurate (most other 7.62×39 FMJs are shorter Spitzers). Primer sensitivity with this stuff is too sporadic from one box to another to be relied on for anything outside of target shooting in an AR. I have trouble with it in SKS rifles too. Beyond that, the other brass and steel-cased loads work well in ARs. Every so often I get a tough Russian primer but it does not tend to be a regular problem. As with any caliber, be sure that if you shoot heavily lacquered steel cases, you pay special attention to keeping your chamber clean during maintenance to avoid any long term buildup or stickiness.
So what’s not to like about a 7.62x39mm AR?
Nowadays my simple answer is “nothing”. But several obstacles existed back when I started building in this caliber. For starters, very few sources for quality barrels could be found. Magazines were crummy at best and all had to be modified to work well. Today many barrel manufacturers offer some form 7.62×39 options starting around 8 inches and growing from there. In fact, surprisingly good shooting barrels can be had for around $100. I use a brand at that price point and for the money; I get smooth, nitrided 16” barrels that shoot sub-MOA with factory ammo.
Magazines used to be the biggest Achilles Heel of this AR configuration.
For several years there simply were not any good options in AR-style mags. Today a handful of companies produce mags in various capacities. I have found that the steel-bodied, 10-round mags from C-Products (CPD) and AR-Stoner (ARS) to be relatively problem free but the 30-rounders are a different story. The older models that are long like an AK mag usually need to be modified to work well. Fortunately CPD came out with a better 7.62×39 mag style for AR lowers a few years ago. These are available in 20 and 28 round capacities, have a Teflon-type coating inside and out and work very well without being modified or de-gunked right out of the package. AR-style 7.62×39 mags trip the bolt stop on empty magazines and function normally with the manual bolt lock.
Several current manufacturers have tackled the mag problem in an entirely different manner, designing their ARs to accept AK magazines. I have tested several off-the-shelf guns for Shooting Illustrated magazine over the years. One thing that has been consistent with them all is that they are very choosy with regard to which magazines fit. I have a mixture of steel AK mags, some from stateside vendors and some that have come back from overseas battlefields. Each gun type would accept some and not others due to the wide variation in AK magazine dimensions. Modern polymer mags worked the best in the AR/AK hybrids I tested. These magazines typically rock into position just like they do in AK firearms. Paddle-style mag releases are also common. The main downside to the AR/AK setup is that the bolt cannot be locked to the rear when using AK mags. That is not a problem if your manual-of-arms familiarity is exclusive to the AK or roller-locked HK firearm families. But for traditional US-made semi-auto shooters, there is a learning curve associated with non-locking magazines. Regardless of whether a 7.62×39 AR uses AK or AR-pattern magazines, the very long 30-round models are difficult to rest on the ground when prone and require a tall bipod or stack of sandbags when shooting for precision.
Handloading the 7.62x39mm cartridge for ARs is easy and produces excellent ammunition.
Barrels range from 1:8 to 1:10 twists, which mesh well with the 122 to 154 grain projectiles that are most commonly found in factory ammo. Engle Ballistic Research loads 220 grain subsonic soft point and open tip expanding loads that stabilize reasonably well, even in 1:10 twist barrels. While there is some wobble in the looser twists, groups are still typically in the 1 to 1.5 MOA range at 100 yards. Detroit Ammunition’s 150 gr subsonic soft point load is also available for the quiet crowd, but accuracy is not all that good in my experience. A much wider variety of weights and designs is available to the roll-your-own crowd. Steel cases cannot be reloaded and some brass cases are Berdan primed, so check before you buy a case of them. Most of the US ammo uses Boxer priming in both large and small rifle primer sizes and brass from companies like Winchester and Lapua is also available. A large variety of 123 grain FMJ, SP and ballistic tipped projectiles are offered by several bullet makers. The .310 diameter projectiles perform best out of like-sized bores but dies are available that allow loading .308 projectiles in 7.62×39 brass. Some folks have reported decent accuracy with .308 bullets but I have not tested them in my guns. That would certainly open up a much wider variety of projectile weights and designs.
At first I stuck to building 7.62×39 ARs with 16 inch barrels. I’ve since built many as pistols and SBRs in 9” and 11” lengths. I’ve built a few 14.5” guns but for some reason they are harder to get decent accuracy from in this chambering. Performance with chrome moly/chrome lined, stainless steel and CM/nitrided barrels in both light and medium contours has been excellent in 16” carbines out to at least 300 yards. Several of my customers shoot their 16” guns at 500 to 600 yards. But just as with 5.56 NATO, any amount of crosswind really pushes the projectiles around once you get past o the 300 yard mark. The shorter barrel guns are also fantastic shooters. I have no trouble getting sub-MOA accuracy out of them and function is excellent with all lengths, so long as the gas system is set up correctly. I use adjustable gas blocks on nearly everything I build in this chambering, especially if it will be suppressed.
The 7.62×39 cartridge is a good solution for gaining a bit more payload without simultaneously increasing the AR’s size.
Looking back to my soldiering days, I’m glad I was unaware of this cartridge’s accuracy potential while I was on its receiving end. I distinctly remember thinking—while watching incoming rounds impact walls and dirt or snap through the air near me—that the odds of being hit from beyond 100 meters were pretty slim. It’s a good thing the bad guys were using inaccurate, un-zeroed guns that were usually pointed and not aimed. Otherwise I might have had a healthier respect for—and fear of—this stubby little performer.
You made a mistake on passing the 6.8 SPC. Data/real world use proves beyond a doubt that 6.8 is superior in every way to your final choice. It excels even at short barrel lengths.
What were your bad experiences? Hell, even 5.56 using heavier bonded soft points and all copper TSX rounds would have been a better choice.
But, to each his own. Everyone involved in the gun industry has to sell something, so switching and hyping the latest round or firearm is just business. For 90%+, 5.56 with the latest quality civilian rounds are more than enough.
This article was written by Steve, so if he visits the blog to check on comments, I’ll let him reply to you directly…
As for me, I recently built a 7.62×39 upper myself and the reason I did is because in Virginia I could legally hunt deer with it (they won’t allow 5.56 for deer hunting here).
I additionally chose 7.62×39 instead of 6.8 SPC because of ammo costs primarily and I already have a LOT of the standard “duty” calibers of 5.56, .308 and 7.62×39. So, I didn’t want to get into a whole new caliber, etc.
And inside of, let’s say 200 yards (basically all the deer shooting possibilities in Virginia), the 7.62×39 hangs with both 6.8 SPC and 6.5 grendel on all real measures of performance so why not?
Honestly, if they allowed 5.56 on deer here, I would just use that for everything. But they don’t, yet, anyways (I think it’s only 10 states now that still don’t allow .223 for deer in the USA).
That said, once I saw what Steve was doing with the 7.62×39 AR-15’s I got really interested in them, because he has seemed to work out all the kinks to make them now a viable choice.
Thanks for the comments Bob.
Bob, This article was originally written several years ago and updated for publication here. My 6.8 SPC experience at the time was limited to testing I’d done in the Army. The 6.8 SPC cartridges and guns failed to perform on many fronts. Since then I’ve worked on several 6.8s with mixed results. While some have been good shooters, the chambering has not been anywhere near as reliably accurate as 7.62×39, 5.56 NATO, 6.5 Grendel or .300 BO–for me anyway. I’m sure others have differing opinions and results. If you’re happy with your 6.8(s) then it’s a moot point because you have your solution. One of the great things about having so many AR options is that we all get to choose from an ever-widening field or cartridges. Nowadays I prefer 6.5 Grendel as an all-purpose, small-frame AR cartridge but that’s an article for another day. The intent here was merely to show that 7.62×39 is a capable AR cartridge to moderate ranges, not to “hype the latest cartridge or firearm” as you say. I think the last time that 7.62×39 could be considered the latest thing, my grandfathers had just returned from WWII. As for trying to sell products, I guess I’d be working against myself since I build far more 5.56 guns and uppers than 7.62x39s… I agree with you about the efficacy of 5.56×45 TSX loads and speaking of those, you might appreciate this: https://preparedgunowners.com/2018/08/08/62-grain-5-56-nato-accuracy-velocity-comparison/
You mention ammunition problems. In my limited experience with the caliber, in an SKS and a so-called AK-47, through which I’ve run a couple thousand rounds of “junk” Russian ammunition, I do not recall a single malfunction. Both rifles, actually carbines, based on barrel length, went BANG very time the trigger was operated. Accuracy was another story, but function was flawless.
Steve wrote the article, but I agree, I shoot steel cased ammo all the time and it works fine. Maybe not zero malfunctions, but I don’t recall a lot…
I am aware there can be problems with hard primers and I’ve never tried the Golden Tiger that Steve mentions, but have heard from him and others it can be finicky.
Thanks for chiming in.
Alan, The only real problem I have with 7.62×39 is with occasional lots with hard primers–some of which won’t pop in SKS platforms either. Some of the early loads that used a wide meplat JSP design (very rounded nose) didn’t feed well but as far as I know, the ammo manufacturers have shifted to more pointed/Spitzer projectiles so that’s not really an issue now. I’m aware of a hotly-loaded lot of Tul (122 or 123 gr HP I think) that was circulating a couple years ago. It caused some functional problems and parts breakage but I did not see it personally. Everything else is anecdotal and seems to be related more to the older magazine designs than the ammo.
Great article. I TOO am a fan of the 7.62 X 39, as of now I have 2 AK paltforms, both being the typical AK-47. The WASR 10-63 UF is my fav, a great shooter & very reliable. That being said, I’m not really interested in a ‘different platform’ for the caliber but it’s also not lost on me either. The reloading aspect is very intriguing. Great job!
I’m not Steve, but I went with the AR-platform — even though I have multiple AK’s as well — because I like the manual of arms for the AR-15 better and its easier to mount optics and other accessories… and of course the inherent accuracy of the AR-15 vs the AK-47 platform as you’ve seen proof of in this article.
What brand barrel is the author talking about?
Advanced Research’s 16″, nitrided HBAR barrels have been fantastic for me: https://www.deltateamtactical.com/Famous-No-Fail-16-762X39-AR15-Melonite-Hbar-Barrel_p_4056.html
I’ve used other good 7.62×39 barrels too–Red X Arms SS, Armalite chrome lined, KAK nitrided and YHM chrome lined. The YHMs and KAKs all have had crowns that needed fixing so I avoid them if possible.
25 inches Hornady 230-grain FMJ 3. 65 inches Hornady 200-grain XTP +P 2.
whats wrong with 762×51? my Remington is great , more accurate than a 762×39 I realy like a 300mag get a groupe like yours may be 4″ at 1000 yards more powder and a mag. makes it more accurate. less than 100 yars like most deer in south texas a 44mag works great and when hit by it they drop . drop almost anything. soft copper heads hollow nose make a big hole.
Al, I couldn’t agree more. I’m a dyed-in-the-wool .308 Win nut. It’s all I carried during numerous post-911 tours overseas and it’s still the cartridge I’m most comfortable with for everything from across a room to 1000+ yds/m away. Likewise I love .300 Win Mag. My issued turn-bolt .300 WM sniper rifles are still the most accurate long guns I’ve fired to this day. My only complaint is that I no longer get paid to carry heavy rifles, thus the quest that started me down the 7.62×39 road 8 years ago.
All my life I’ve heard about this cartridge or that cartridge as being “inherently accurate,” but somehow, the longer I shoot and the longer I read, the more convinced I am that it is the rifle that determines how accurate the cartridge is.
Oh, yeah. And the shooter, too.
These rifles seem to prove it with this 7.62 combloc stuff.
I too like the 7.62 in the ar platform. I built one after I built a 5.45×39. in an ar platform. One thing he hit on was using a longer fire pin. I did my homework on my first build in the 5.45 and also found out about the hyperfire24 trigger. It totally took care of the light primer strikes. I would tell everyone that it’s one of the best things to use when building an ar in one of these two calibers.But I do think it’s a good choice for whitetails(7.62×39). I’ve been deer hunting all my life and have killed many of them with many different calibers,crossbow,compounds,recurves,and trucks.The Russian ammo is cheap too shoot ,and I had Ar’s in every other caliber so I built some in those two.Of course when I hunt with a gun i use the best ammo I can find that does the best job,and not the steel case stuff,but it is cheap to shoot.So I’m all for the Ar’s in the olé Russian rounds. Also check out the sharps 25-45. I have one and it is hell on whatever you shoot. It’s been over looked,but it is very accurate and has an,2″moa out to 800yards.Its a very good whitetail round in the 87 grain bullet. 3000fps out of a 20″ barrel. Like I said,its been overlooked with all this 224valk. And 22 nosl. Calibers coming out, but it’s a good one. And with the ar platform all u need is the bolt and barrel, if u already have an 5.56 or equivalent. But you go! I love Ar’s but I still find it easier to carry a regular rifle into the deer woods, just because of weight and bulky ness.But I know not everyone has a bunch of guns to choose from.So im glad too see someone else built one in this caliber. You go!
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